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		<title>By: Regyna Longlank</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator>Regyna Longlank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 15:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I knew what I could do to out the man who raped me, but he is not really active in the BDSM community and deleted his fetlife profile after the assault.  I have let the women in our social group know, and I feel this is the only leverage I have, the only thing he values is his ability to keep finding new partners.  Unfortunately some of the women I have spoken with really do not see what happened as rape.  Being unfamiliar with kink they don&#039;t have the framework to hear what I am saying and understand the implications.

This is also why I have not reported the crime to the police.  Describing what happened to me will only be titillating for them, I doubt they would see the line between what I consented to and what I did not.  The town where I live does not provide an advocate and I simply cannot face the cops, the lack of information, the victim blaming, the kink shaming, or the rapist.  It&#039;s been months and months since it happened and I still cannot imagine being in the same room with that person.  How could I face them in a court of law?

The women I have spoken to actually suggested mediation.  They want me to sit down in a room with this man and discuss what happened with a witness.  How is that helpful?  I cannot imagine doing such a thing, although I realize in situations other than sexual assault mediation can be valuable.  What could we possibly have to talk about?  He knows that I feel what he did was rape.  I know he does not think so, and nothing I say will change that.  I already told him what I thought, several times.  I have nothing else to say.

Before it happened to me I thought everyone should report, every time, for many of the reasons discussed here.  How could I let him do this to someone else?  Because I cannot stop him.  Because it will not help my healing to try.  I have been through the legal system with someone who has been raped, I know what it is like, and I know that I cannot do it.  Call me whatever you want, I just can&#039;t. I wish I could.  Maybe after a lot of therapy things will change.  I would like to think so, but right now it is hard to imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I knew what I could do to out the man who raped me, but he is not really active in the BDSM community and deleted his fetlife profile after the assault.  I have let the women in our social group know, and I feel this is the only leverage I have, the only thing he values is his ability to keep finding new partners.  Unfortunately some of the women I have spoken with really do not see what happened as rape.  Being unfamiliar with kink they don&#8217;t have the framework to hear what I am saying and understand the implications.</p>
<p>This is also why I have not reported the crime to the police.  Describing what happened to me will only be titillating for them, I doubt they would see the line between what I consented to and what I did not.  The town where I live does not provide an advocate and I simply cannot face the cops, the lack of information, the victim blaming, the kink shaming, or the rapist.  It&#8217;s been months and months since it happened and I still cannot imagine being in the same room with that person.  How could I face them in a court of law?</p>
<p>The women I have spoken to actually suggested mediation.  They want me to sit down in a room with this man and discuss what happened with a witness.  How is that helpful?  I cannot imagine doing such a thing, although I realize in situations other than sexual assault mediation can be valuable.  What could we possibly have to talk about?  He knows that I feel what he did was rape.  I know he does not think so, and nothing I say will change that.  I already told him what I thought, several times.  I have nothing else to say.</p>
<p>Before it happened to me I thought everyone should report, every time, for many of the reasons discussed here.  How could I let him do this to someone else?  Because I cannot stop him.  Because it will not help my healing to try.  I have been through the legal system with someone who has been raped, I know what it is like, and I know that I cannot do it.  Call me whatever you want, I just can&#8217;t. I wish I could.  Maybe after a lot of therapy things will change.  I would like to think so, but right now it is hard to imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: kinkylittlegirl</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>kinkylittlegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabulous post, Saynine.  I&#039;m so glad to be coming across more and more people who are thinking along the same lines I am, both online and off.

I&#039;m in the process of writing a series of posts on the parameters of consent that is and will be touching on the same kinds of things you are musing about here, and some others I&#039;ve been contemplating.  Like you, at this point, I think I have more questions than answers, but that&#039;s how the discussions start, and hopefully solutions arise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabulous post, Saynine.  I&#8217;m so glad to be coming across more and more people who are thinking along the same lines I am, both online and off.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in the process of writing a series of posts on the parameters of consent that is and will be touching on the same kinds of things you are musing about here, and some others I&#8217;ve been contemplating.  Like you, at this point, I think I have more questions than answers, but that&#8217;s how the discussions start, and hopefully solutions arise.</p>
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		<title>By: kinkylittlegirl</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>kinkylittlegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your comments wholeheartedly, but I&#039;m also aware that there are issues involved with naming names, at least publicly, and particularly if you are not the person to whom the rape or assault happened, and we do have to take those into consideration.  

Even without naming names, I&#039;ve written a lot about the abuse my ex dished out to me, and he has managed to largely silence me, at least publicly, with threats of suing me for libel, slander, or whatever.   That risk would only be magnified if others not directly involved were reporting such things.

Still, we&#039;ve absolutely got to find a way to warn people, or at minimum to not allow these things to go covered up and the victims shamed and blamed so much within our own ranks any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your comments wholeheartedly, but I&#8217;m also aware that there are issues involved with naming names, at least publicly, and particularly if you are not the person to whom the rape or assault happened, and we do have to take those into consideration.  </p>
<p>Even without naming names, I&#8217;ve written a lot about the abuse my ex dished out to me, and he has managed to largely silence me, at least publicly, with threats of suing me for libel, slander, or whatever.   That risk would only be magnified if others not directly involved were reporting such things.</p>
<p>Still, we&#8217;ve absolutely got to find a way to warn people, or at minimum to not allow these things to go covered up and the victims shamed and blamed so much within our own ranks any more.</p>
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		<title>By: kinkylittlegirl</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>kinkylittlegirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This absolutely does go beyond BDSM situations.  The difference is that as a &quot;community&quot;, we have all been walking around sharing the myth that *we* do not have abusers in our midst because we are somehow different, better, more responsible because we negotiate everything, everything is consensual, we use safewords, etc.

The very closed attitudes about keeping quiet and not exposing the community to outside scrutiny as would happen if those of us who are raped and/or assaulted did report the events to the police helps keep the high incidence of these events hidden, which only serves to perptuate the problem even further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This absolutely does go beyond BDSM situations.  The difference is that as a &#8220;community&#8221;, we have all been walking around sharing the myth that *we* do not have abusers in our midst because we are somehow different, better, more responsible because we negotiate everything, everything is consensual, we use safewords, etc.</p>
<p>The very closed attitudes about keeping quiet and not exposing the community to outside scrutiny as would happen if those of us who are raped and/or assaulted did report the events to the police helps keep the high incidence of these events hidden, which only serves to perptuate the problem even further.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what to add here to be honest. This is a great post and I think you have ansked some great questions of all of us who line D/s lives.

I am lucky to be in a commited relationship with my Dom where my safe word is always respected, which makes it easier for me to let go and explore my boundries as if anything happens that I don&#039;t like I know that word will always be honoured. However, I think that is harder for people who play with casual partners that they don&#039;t know so well etc. I am not saying that excuses someone ignoring a persons safeword AT ALL, far from it, but it just shows that for a safeword to mean anything it has to be honoured and the meaning of it accepted by both parties only then can you play safely and with trust.

I have had a strong rape fantasy and even wrote a post about how he started to explore that with me, called &#039;The Jeans challenge&#039; which started of with me saying that if I had my tightest jeans on and fought him harder enough he would not be able to get them off me. He said he would prove I was wrong. It was an intense, exciting, thrilling, emotional and exhausting scene.....and yes he proved me wrong.....but it was one that took place with my full consent and participation in. 

I could never enter into a scene like that with anyone but Him I would have to say. Part of the dynamic of our relationship is that he if he wants me he has me.....but that JUST applies to him and as I said, the safeword means that it can never go beyond what I can tolerate.

Previous to my relationship with Sir I was with how man who introduced me to swinging. On one occassion at a club I felt that I had been violated by a man who entered me without my permission and was not wearing a condom. Luckily I knew instantly and yes....I freaked......and gave him hell. The worst part of was though, that his female partner made me feel like i was being completely silly and childish and &#039;what on earth was I making a fuss about&#039;. Her reaction was shocking to me, and left me feeling like I had done something wrong rather than the man in question. I wish I had known more about this area at the time as I think I would have dealt with things very differently,,,,rather than leaving the club like I was to blame, now I would have named and shamed him and reported him to the club owners who I am fairly sure (having spoken to them about it since) would have arranged for his swift exit. 

Thank you for writing this and bringing a tricky subject into the light. 

Mollyxxx

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what to add here to be honest. This is a great post and I think you have ansked some great questions of all of us who line D/s lives.</p>
<p>I am lucky to be in a commited relationship with my Dom where my safe word is always respected, which makes it easier for me to let go and explore my boundries as if anything happens that I don&#8217;t like I know that word will always be honoured. However, I think that is harder for people who play with casual partners that they don&#8217;t know so well etc. I am not saying that excuses someone ignoring a persons safeword AT ALL, far from it, but it just shows that for a safeword to mean anything it has to be honoured and the meaning of it accepted by both parties only then can you play safely and with trust.</p>
<p>I have had a strong rape fantasy and even wrote a post about how he started to explore that with me, called &#8216;The Jeans challenge&#8217; which started of with me saying that if I had my tightest jeans on and fought him harder enough he would not be able to get them off me. He said he would prove I was wrong. It was an intense, exciting, thrilling, emotional and exhausting scene&#8230;..and yes he proved me wrong&#8230;..but it was one that took place with my full consent and participation in. </p>
<p>I could never enter into a scene like that with anyone but Him I would have to say. Part of the dynamic of our relationship is that he if he wants me he has me&#8230;..but that JUST applies to him and as I said, the safeword means that it can never go beyond what I can tolerate.</p>
<p>Previous to my relationship with Sir I was with how man who introduced me to swinging. On one occassion at a club I felt that I had been violated by a man who entered me without my permission and was not wearing a condom. Luckily I knew instantly and yes&#8230;.I freaked&#8230;&#8230;and gave him hell. The worst part of was though, that his female partner made me feel like i was being completely silly and childish and &#8216;what on earth was I making a fuss about&#8217;. Her reaction was shocking to me, and left me feeling like I had done something wrong rather than the man in question. I wish I had known more about this area at the time as I think I would have dealt with things very differently,,,,rather than leaving the club like I was to blame, now I would have named and shamed him and reported him to the club owners who I am fairly sure (having spoken to them about it since) would have arranged for his swift exit. </p>
<p>Thank you for writing this and bringing a tricky subject into the light. </p>
<p>Mollyxxx</p>
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		<title>By: Alexa</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post, my friend.  I, too, am writing on this subject, specifically the nexus between consensual sex and rape.  My position on what is or isn&#039;t rape correlates to yours, and that makes me happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post, my friend.  I, too, am writing on this subject, specifically the nexus between consensual sex and rape.  My position on what is or isn&#39;t rape correlates to yours, and that makes me happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Newbie</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>Newbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s better for society and for the community if rapes get reported. But the emotional costs to the victim are real, and are greater in a BDSM situation because of societal prejudice, so I would certainly never judge anyone for refusing to report.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it bothers me the way that incidents like this seem to get hushed up, or at best spread by rumor, *within* the community. If the community believes what it says about the C in SSC and RACK, a response where those &quot;in the know&quot; quietly let their friends know about a &quot;bad top&quot;, or someone who doesn&#039;t &quot;play safe&quot; is unacceptable. The victims should be posting the names and descriptions of the rapists to blogs, asking others to propagate, and the names should get broadcast as publicly as possible at every munch and party in the area.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you know the names of rapists in incidents like this, and you&#039;re spreading rumors, but not doing what you can t publicly ostracize the rapist from the community, then you&#039;re acting as if &quot;not making a fuss&quot; is not as important as preventing future rapes, and you&#039;re complicit in these future rapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#39;s better for society and for the community if rapes get reported. But the emotional costs to the victim are real, and are greater in a BDSM situation because of societal prejudice, so I would certainly never judge anyone for refusing to report.</p>
<p>But it bothers me the way that incidents like this seem to get hushed up, or at best spread by rumor, *within* the community. If the community believes what it says about the C in SSC and RACK, a response where those &#8220;in the know&#8221; quietly let their friends know about a &#8220;bad top&#8221;, or someone who doesn&#39;t &#8220;play safe&#8221; is unacceptable. The victims should be posting the names and descriptions of the rapists to blogs, asking others to propagate, and the names should get broadcast as publicly as possible at every munch and party in the area.</p>
<p>If you know the names of rapists in incidents like this, and you&#39;re spreading rumors, but not doing what you can t publicly ostracize the rapist from the community, then you&#39;re acting as if &#8220;not making a fuss&#8221; is not as important as preventing future rapes, and you&#39;re complicit in these future rapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mira</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for writing this! I am new to the BDSM scene and still exploring. There are some things I would not be comfortable with and this text has taught me to be very careful, to negotiate and build in safety measures. &lt;br&gt;Thanks to the ladies for being willing to tell their stories. You might have saved one woman from inexperience mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for writing this! I am new to the BDSM scene and still exploring. There are some things I would not be comfortable with and this text has taught me to be very careful, to negotiate and build in safety measures. <br />Thanks to the ladies for being willing to tell their stories. You might have saved one woman from inexperience mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: SexplorationWithMonika</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/02/this-isnt-play-bdsm-and-rape/comment-page-1/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>SexplorationWithMonika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping that you meant &quot;learned her lesson&quot; in a different way, but to people who don&#039;t know better it could sound like you are partially blaming the victim. This happens often in our sex-negative culture that wrongly believes that men have &quot;uncontrollable&quot; sex drives and women have to mind their manners, watch out where they end up--otherwise it&#039;s their fault. And we even blame ourselves. But it isn&#039;t our fault. If a person is raped, it is not their fault, even if they didn&#039;t negotiate the scene well enough, or *anything* else. Even if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, wearing a too-short dress, if they were &quot;too drunk,&quot; it&#039;s not the visctim&#039;s fault. The person who is responsible for the rape is always, only, the rapist. Bad judgement isn&#039;t a rapable offense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m hoping that you meant &#8220;learned her lesson&#8221; in a different way, but to people who don&#39;t know better it could sound like you are partially blaming the victim. This happens often in our sex-negative culture that wrongly believes that men have &#8220;uncontrollable&#8221; sex drives and women have to mind their manners, watch out where they end up&#8211;otherwise it&#39;s their fault. And we even blame ourselves. But it isn&#39;t our fault. If a person is raped, it is not their fault, even if they didn&#39;t negotiate the scene well enough, or *anything* else. Even if they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, wearing a too-short dress, if they were &#8220;too drunk,&#8221; it&#39;s not the visctim&#39;s fault. The person who is responsible for the rape is always, only, the rapist. Bad judgement isn&#39;t a rapable offense.</p>
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		<title>By: Tsaphan Babe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tsaphan Babe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 08:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post. I&#039;m new to blogging about this stuff but have already been asked how I can call myself a feminist when I&#039;m having sex with someone with rape fantasies. It&#039;s amazing how people don&#039;t understand the concept of the passion of consent. That&#039;s what it was all about for me and my first Dom. I&#039;ve only had one. But I&#039;m very nervous about shopping around for a new partner because he &quot;got it&quot; so perfectly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, I&#039;ll likely link to your site to address this question. Thanks, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post. I&#39;m new to blogging about this stuff but have already been asked how I can call myself a feminist when I&#39;m having sex with someone with rape fantasies. It&#39;s amazing how people don&#39;t understand the concept of the passion of consent. That&#39;s what it was all about for me and my first Dom. I&#39;ve only had one. But I&#39;m very nervous about shopping around for a new partner because he &#8220;got it&#8221; so perfectly.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#39;ll likely link to your site to address this question. Thanks, again.</p>
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