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		<title>By: Lady Grinning Soul</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/01/drop-and-aftercare-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Grinning Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is brilliant, and Drop is definitely something I, as a submissive, have experienced but never considered before! In fact, reading this, I think it is even something that has held me back from embracing experiences and partners. The idea of aftercare is fantastic and I wish I&#039;d known/thought about it before.

This piece is really eye opening.

Although I know you&#039;re primarily concerned with sex here, I just wanted to go back to something you touched on right at the beginning of this piece, which is non-sexual Drop. That is something I have experienced with a lot of awareness. I am the co-director of a theatre company, for which I have acted and directed, and the Drop you get after a play/production is finished, is so similar to what you describe above, and so acute... and even if you&#039;re coming from another angle, I just want to kind of thank you for bringing this issue to people&#039;s attention.

It&#039;s important and this article is so relevant. Thank you SayNine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is brilliant, and Drop is definitely something I, as a submissive, have experienced but never considered before! In fact, reading this, I think it is even something that has held me back from embracing experiences and partners. The idea of aftercare is fantastic and I wish I&#8217;d known/thought about it before.</p>
<p>This piece is really eye opening.</p>
<p>Although I know you&#8217;re primarily concerned with sex here, I just wanted to go back to something you touched on right at the beginning of this piece, which is non-sexual Drop. That is something I have experienced with a lot of awareness. I am the co-director of a theatre company, for which I have acted and directed, and the Drop you get after a play/production is finished, is so similar to what you describe above, and so acute&#8230; and even if you&#8217;re coming from another angle, I just want to kind of thank you for bringing this issue to people&#8217;s attention.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important and this article is so relevant. Thank you SayNine!</p>
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		<title>By: Lissa</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/01/drop-and-aftercare-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>Lissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolute wonderful post. Aftercare is critical... The drop is near devastating without it. I&#039;ve called friends frantic when I dropped and was alone. Knowing that my Top/Dom was proud, that he offered that bit of care and concern immediately after and even for a few days after was necessary for me. Play in a general sense is something I&#039;m not good at because the aftercare is at times not present in those situations. There are times it doesn&#039;t take much to drop me into subspace, depending on my need, but pulling me out of it can take time and if I come out of it alone, I don&#039;t weather it well at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolute wonderful post. Aftercare is critical&#8230; The drop is near devastating without it. I&#8217;ve called friends frantic when I dropped and was alone. Knowing that my Top/Dom was proud, that he offered that bit of care and concern immediately after and even for a few days after was necessary for me. Play in a general sense is something I&#8217;m not good at because the aftercare is at times not present in those situations. There are times it doesn&#8217;t take much to drop me into subspace, depending on my need, but pulling me out of it can take time and if I come out of it alone, I don&#8217;t weather it well at all.</p>
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		<title>By: seo company</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/01/drop-and-aftercare-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>seo company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 11:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Dozens of area weight loss patients say they were promised &quot;a lifetime of aftercare&quot; following bariatric or lap band surgery. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dozens of area weight loss patients say they were promised &#8220;a lifetime of aftercare&#8221; following bariatric or lap band surgery. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ranai</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/01/drop-and-aftercare-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, this is interesting to read.&lt;br&gt;							&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;‘I can explain some of the emotional upheaval I go through during play but not all of it. For me to let the monster of sadism out of the cage and keep control of it takes a concentration that is intense and while dominance is more fluid for me it requires personal control as well. (...) After play is when my needs become evident. Aftercare is what I need. (...) I need to reconnect with my humanity, to show myself that I am still capable of compassion and tenderness.’&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That’s how it is for me too.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I do aftercare in some form every time. Not only my partner needs it, I need it too. For the reasons you mentioned, and also because his reactions reassure me: he still wants the intimacy, he still loves me, with the sadism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could also not play with someone and then go. I need the closeness afterwards.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People who pay attention to ‘women this – men that’ generalisations will never figure out what they &lt;i&gt;themselves&lt;/i&gt; need or like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, this is interesting to read.</p>
<p><i>‘I can explain some of the emotional upheaval I go through during play but not all of it. For me to let the monster of sadism out of the cage and keep control of it takes a concentration that is intense and while dominance is more fluid for me it requires personal control as well. (&#8230;) After play is when my needs become evident. Aftercare is what I need. (&#8230;) I need to reconnect with my humanity, to show myself that I am still capable of compassion and tenderness.’</i></p>
<p>That’s how it is for me too.</p>
<p>I do aftercare in some form every time. Not only my partner needs it, I need it too. For the reasons you mentioned, and also because his reactions reassure me: he still wants the intimacy, he still loves me, with the sadism.</p>
<p>I could also not play with someone and then go. I need the closeness afterwards.</p>
<p>People who pay attention to ‘women this – men that’ generalisations will never figure out what they <i>themselves</i> need or like.</p>
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		<title>By: clarissethorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>clarissethorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a ton of experience topping, but I will say that with the male submissive I&#039;ve played with the most, he needed a lot of aftercare.  He also told me, though, that he hadn&#039;t felt safe/accepted asking for aftercare from other partners; he felt like it was imposing and they would judge him; and he usually didn&#039;t go deep enough to need it with them the way he needed it with me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my (again, limited) experience as a top I found that it was really tough for me to give aftercare if there was a mismatch between my desires and my bottom&#039;s ... if, for example, I was still caught in top-space when my bottom had already broken down and achieved his climax and couldn&#039;t go any further.  I gave the care, of course, I stuck around and soothed him and so on, but it was hard and I really wanted to go for a run.  I asked a couple of dominant friends for advice about this.  One told me that he absolutely couldn&#039;t stick around and give aftercare, usually, and that he got around this problem by telling his partners that he would have to leave after the scene (go for a run, whatever) and would come back afterwards.  &quot;And your partners are okay with this?&quot; I asked.  I was amazed.  He said, &quot;It really helps to talk about it beforehand, so they&#039;re warned.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tend to need a fair amount of aftercare as a bottom, though much less so if I don&#039;t feel much attached to my partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t have a ton of experience topping, but I will say that with the male submissive I&#39;ve played with the most, he needed a lot of aftercare.  He also told me, though, that he hadn&#39;t felt safe/accepted asking for aftercare from other partners; he felt like it was imposing and they would judge him; and he usually didn&#39;t go deep enough to need it with them the way he needed it with me.</p>
<p>In my (again, limited) experience as a top I found that it was really tough for me to give aftercare if there was a mismatch between my desires and my bottom&#39;s &#8230; if, for example, I was still caught in top-space when my bottom had already broken down and achieved his climax and couldn&#39;t go any further.  I gave the care, of course, I stuck around and soothed him and so on, but it was hard and I really wanted to go for a run.  I asked a couple of dominant friends for advice about this.  One told me that he absolutely couldn&#39;t stick around and give aftercare, usually, and that he got around this problem by telling his partners that he would have to leave after the scene (go for a run, whatever) and would come back afterwards.  &#8220;And your partners are okay with this?&#8221; I asked.  I was amazed.  He said, &#8220;It really helps to talk about it beforehand, so they&#39;re warned.&#8221;</p>
<p>I tend to need a fair amount of aftercare as a bottom, though much less so if I don&#39;t feel much attached to my partner.</p>
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		<title>By: Saynine</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/01/drop-and-aftercare-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>Saynine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Fabulous Counterpoint to the argument that male subs do not need or want aftercare by @AliceSinAerie &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/AliceSinAerie&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://twitter.com/AliceSinAerie&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tr.im/MpdV&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tr.im/MpdV&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Fabulous Counterpoint to the argument that male subs do not need or want aftercare by @AliceSinAerie <a href="http://twitter.com/AliceSinAerie" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/AliceSinAerie</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://tr.im/MpdV" rel="nofollow">http://tr.im/MpdV</a></p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh J</title>
		<link>http://say-nine.com/01/drop-and-aftercare-a-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that outside of &quot;safety and personal care&quot; (e.g. cuts that need be tended, warm blanket) it&#039;s lot is up to the players and the scene.   Problems can occur are when there are unmet expectations and needs and these can change not only with scenes, players but even time.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I have no issue with pros and their clients, I believe they have a stronger handle on the expectations of the scene.  An example may be someone providing a GFE (girl friend experience) does NOT mean they are your REAL girl friend (i.e. you probably are not going to take them to a wedding unless you are in a romantic comedy).  So the expectations are clearer and the emotional attachment is not like a LTR.  This doesn&#039;t make one better or worse it just is a difference in emotional needs and expectations.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While each has a different take on it.  Not addressing the issue of drop and aftercare, with inexperienced players can be potentially disastrous.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I once had a great scene, adequate aftercare and then over the next day or so slowly went (for lack of a better term) insane.   Only after my wife reminded me of the sub drop I was going though I was then able to get a handle and understand what was going on. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not everyone has the same emotions and needs. Know what works for you and communicate with your partners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that outside of &#8220;safety and personal care&#8221; (e.g. cuts that need be tended, warm blanket) it&#39;s lot is up to the players and the scene.   Problems can occur are when there are unmet expectations and needs and these can change not only with scenes, players but even time.   </p>
<p>While I have no issue with pros and their clients, I believe they have a stronger handle on the expectations of the scene.  An example may be someone providing a GFE (girl friend experience) does NOT mean they are your REAL girl friend (i.e. you probably are not going to take them to a wedding unless you are in a romantic comedy).  So the expectations are clearer and the emotional attachment is not like a LTR.  This doesn&#39;t make one better or worse it just is a difference in emotional needs and expectations.  </p>
<p>While each has a different take on it.  Not addressing the issue of drop and aftercare, with inexperienced players can be potentially disastrous.  </p>
<p>I once had a great scene, adequate aftercare and then over the next day or so slowly went (for lack of a better term) insane.   Only after my wife reminded me of the sub drop I was going though I was then able to get a handle and understand what was going on. </p>
<p>Not everyone has the same emotions and needs. Know what works for you and communicate with your partners.</p>
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		<title>By: Saynine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saynine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not mean to say that this was the case with FemDomme&#039;s, but it was the overwhelming consensus of the input I received when I requested it for this post.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You put into much better word exactly the sentiment I was trying to convey regarding my own feelings; &quot;How could you DO that? What kind of animal are you?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you so much for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not mean to say that this was the case with FemDomme&#39;s, but it was the overwhelming consensus of the input I received when I requested it for this post.</p>
<p>You put into much better word exactly the sentiment I was trying to convey regarding my own feelings; &#8220;How could you DO that? What kind of animal are you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: roseread</title>
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		<dc:creator>roseread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that, in my experience both as a femdom and observing other femdoms at the parties I go to, the femdom you quote is the anomaly. To think less of your male sub because he requires aftercare is to perpetuate every horrible gender stereotype about male subs and female tops out there. ::shudder:: I very much enjoy making sure my subs are fine, both mentally and physically, after I&#039;m done with them, whether they&#039;re male or female. While that care might be mutual which means I get to stroke and pet and they get to rub my feet, the need for care is not a male or female thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That aside, can I say I love this post for one sentence: &quot;For me to let the monster of sadism out of the cage and keep control of it takes a concentration that is intense and while dominance is more fluid for me it requires personal control as well.&quot; Yes. This. But for me, part of my Top Drop is that I get a little bit of SuperEgo condemnation happening in my head for a few days after a scene (How could you DO that? What kind of animal are you?), so I need the loving connection with my subs to prove to me that I&#039;m still a good person, that I&#039;m not an animal, and that they love me because of my sadism and dominance, not inspite of it. So while I like to take care of them to prove that to myself, as you say, I also need their active participation in taking care of me emotionally.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for such a great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that, in my experience both as a femdom and observing other femdoms at the parties I go to, the femdom you quote is the anomaly. To think less of your male sub because he requires aftercare is to perpetuate every horrible gender stereotype about male subs and female tops out there. ::shudder:: I very much enjoy making sure my subs are fine, both mentally and physically, after I&#39;m done with them, whether they&#39;re male or female. While that care might be mutual which means I get to stroke and pet and they get to rub my feet, the need for care is not a male or female thing.</p>
<p>That aside, can I say I love this post for one sentence: &#8220;For me to let the monster of sadism out of the cage and keep control of it takes a concentration that is intense and while dominance is more fluid for me it requires personal control as well.&#8221; Yes. This. But for me, part of my Top Drop is that I get a little bit of SuperEgo condemnation happening in my head for a few days after a scene (How could you DO that? What kind of animal are you?), so I need the loving connection with my subs to prove to me that I&#39;m still a good person, that I&#39;m not an animal, and that they love me because of my sadism and dominance, not inspite of it. So while I like to take care of them to prove that to myself, as you say, I also need their active participation in taking care of me emotionally.</p>
<p>Thanks for such a great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Saynine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saynine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@britisshameless made this comment but my comment system keeps deleting it&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/britisshameless&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://twitter.com/britisshameless&lt;/a&gt;      &lt;a href=&quot;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought this post was both amazing and important.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wrote a series on aftercare, if anyone is interested.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part I: &lt;a href=&quot;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/12/aftercare-part-i-basics.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/1...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part II: &lt;a href=&quot;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/12/aftercare-part-ii-traumatic-bonding.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/1...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Part III: &lt;a href=&quot;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/12/aftercare-part-iii-exceptions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/1...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@britisshameless made this comment but my comment system keeps deleting it<br /><a href="http://twitter.com/britisshameless" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/britisshameless</a>      <a href="http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com</a> </p>
<p>I thought this post was both amazing and important.</p>
<p>I wrote a series on aftercare, if anyone is interested.</p>
<p>Part I: <a href="http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/12/aftercare-part-i-basics.html" rel="nofollow">http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/1&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Part II: <a href="http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/12/aftercare-part-ii-traumatic-bonding.html" rel="nofollow">http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/1&#8230;</a></p>
<p>Part III: <a href="http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/12/aftercare-part-iii-exceptions.html" rel="nofollow">http://britisstillshameless.blogspot.com/2009/1&#8230;</a></p>
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